# OpenClaw for People Who Don't Code and When to Choose It Over Codex

Sedrak and Alexander join OpenClaw's Hannes Rudolph and Josh Lehman to talk about making OpenClaw easier for people who don't code, and when to choose it over Codex.

[The ClawCast, Episode 3: host Hannes Rudolph and guests Josh Lehman, Sedrak Hovhannisyan, and Alexander Adamyan on a video call](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY)

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Released

July 8, 2026

Length

31 min

Host

[Hannes Rudolph on X](https://x.com/hrudolph)

Guests

[Sedrak Hovhannisyan on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sedrak-hovhannisyan/), [Alexander Adamyan on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/aadamyan/), and [Josh Lehman on X](https://x.com/jlehman_)

- [Blog](https://vanalabs.co/blog)

- The ClawCast, Episode 3

## What we talked about

- [1:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY&t=89s)

Why the onboarding demo Sedrak planned for the show was dropped: OpenClaw's setup was being rebuilt the night before.

- [7:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY&t=441s)

Alexander on the steps that still take some technical know-how, such as getting a Trello API key or setting up a Telegram bot.

- [20:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY&t=1242s)

Sedrak on choosing between OpenClaw and Codex: OpenAI decides which tools Codex can connect to, while OpenClaw takes plugins for almost anything digital.

- [25:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY&t=1539s)

A LinkedIn outreach workflow for a client, where Codex stopped to ask before every message it sent and OpenClaw ran the whole thing.

- [27:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY&t=1679s)

Alexander on why OpenClaw suits work that runs by itself on a server or a Mac mini, while Codex needs someone watching it.

With OpenClaw, you can automate the thing and forget about it.

Alexander Adamyan, [28:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7SgFXvieY&t=1725s)

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